Shavings in Oil pan and filter

JeffO · #1 (**permalink**) 03-03-2010, 04:59 PM

Hey all,
Maybe someone can help me/give advice....I recently picked up an 08 DS450X and wanted to get a baseline with service. Took it in to get the valves and service done...just got a call from the mechanic saying he found metal shavings in the filter and a bigger piece in the pan when he drained the oil. He asked if I wanted to go along with the service or stop and estimate an engine teardown. I am not sure what, if any, recalls there are or the previous service with the other guy. Should I be worried and getting the engine torn down? Or just play it out and see where it goes? Thanks much
Jeff

Ds450xRacerx · #2 (**permalink**) 03-03-2010, 06:32 PM

i got the same bike and i also saw the shaving but not the big chunk..as long as it was in filter and oil pan that good cause the filter is doing its job. but as far as where its coming from i dont know. did you take in for the 10 hrs inspection

TNT · #3 (**permalink**) 03-03-2010, 06:36 PM

Depends on what he found - where you riding the quad prior to taking it in? Did the clutch work? What does the bigger piece look like, part of aluminum clutch basket or steel oil squirter perhaps?

JeffO · #4 (**permalink**) 03-03-2010, 07:33 PM

Thanks for the replies. I am not sure about the 10 hr inspection as I bought it used off a guy from ebay. I had only rode it for about 4 hours total. The clutch worked fine as far as I could tell. The engine seemed a little noisy to me but after reading online, thought it sounded normal for this type of motor. I asked the mechanic that was working on it if he had checked to see if recalls had been done and he hadn't even run the VIN to check yet. The first thing I was going to do when I got it back was check the clutch. Is it possible for part of the clutch to break and end up in system and still work? Will ask to take the shavings so I can examine them a bit more...

TNT · #5 (**permalink**) 03-03-2010, 11:22 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by JeffO

Thanks for the replies. I am not sure about the 10 hr inspection as I bought it used off a guy from ebay. I had only rode it for about 4 hours total. The clutch worked fine as far as I could tell. The engine seemed a little noisy to me but after reading online, thought it sounded normal for this type of motor. I asked the mechanic that was working on it if he had checked to see if recalls had been done and he hadn't even run the VIN to check yet. The first thing I was going to do when I got it back was check the clutch. Is it possible for part of the clutch to break and end up in system and still work? Will ask to take the shavings so I can examine them a bit more...

Typically a plate will break hit the basket rotating at such a high speed won't take much to break a chunk of aluminum off, but it will fail immediately no more clutch/ plate and if a small piece of aluminum basket is in the motor it won’t take long for steel gears to eat it up. Steel on the other hand can cause damage like bits of your squirter is lingering around AND it’s not good to run the quad with no oil being sent to the rod and piston it’s suicide….Happen to us ruined crank gears, costly! So I’d say ask the dealer what it is where it came from identify it as steel or aluminum, if he can’t post a pic out here we may be able to…..You know steel is magnetic, tranny gears like 3rd fail on some 08’s so you’d want to find out if it’s a chunk of gear is breaking loose. Since you rode 4 hrs sound like your ok, but it would be good to be safe unless you are good at and don’t mind tearing motors down. Actually there is a sump filter at the bottom of the case that collects a lot of new engine shaving’s, maybe it’s full passing to the filter. It’s a good idea if you’re a mechanic to get in there split the case clean it out after break in to prolong the life of the motor. I know the race team mechanics told me this, we did it.

blaster99 · #6 (**permalink**) 03-04-2010, 06:34 AM

These motors tend to produce some shavings. As long as they aren't too big you should be fine. Just be sure to change your oil and filter frequently.

Drilling2643 · #7 (**permalink**) 03-04-2010, 10:59 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by TNT

Quote: Originally Posted by JeffO

Thanks for the replies. I am not sure about the 10 hr inspection as I bought it used off a guy from ebay. I had only rode it for about 4 hours total. The clutch worked fine as far as I could tell. The engine seemed a little noisy to me but after reading online, thought it sounded normal for this type of motor. I asked the mechanic that was working on it if he had checked to see if recalls had been done and he hadn't even run the VIN to check yet. The first thing I was going to do when I got it back was check the clutch. Is it possible for part of the clutch to break and end up in system and still work? Will ask to take the shavings so I can examine them a bit more...

Typically a plate will break hit the basket rotating at such a high speed won't take much to break a chunk of aluminum off, but it will fail immediately no more clutch/ plate and if a small piece of aluminum basket is in the motor it won’t take long for steel gears to eat it up. Steel on the other hand can cause damage like bits of your squirter is lingering around AND it’s not good to run the quad with no oil being sent to the rod and piston it’s suicide….Happen to us ruined crank gears, costly! So I’d say ask the dealer what it is where it came from identify it as steel or aluminum, if he can’t post a pic out here we may be able to…..You know steel is magnetic, tranny gears like 3rd fail on some 08’s so you’d want to find out if it’s a chunk of gear is breaking loose. Since you rode 4 hrs sound like your ok, but it would be good to be safe unless you are good at and don’t mind tearing motors down. Actually there is a sump filter at the bottom of the case that collects a lot of new engine shaving’s, maybe it’s full passing to the filter. It’s a good idea if you’re a mechanic to get in there split the case clean it out after break in to prolong the life of the motor. I know the race team mechanics told me this, we did it.

Tnt- do you recommend that on my 08, havent even got 45min on the engine and then the snow hit and i been prepping it for season, by recommend i mean (It’s a good idea if you’re a mechanic to get in there split the case clean it out after break in to prolong the life of the motor. I know the race team mechanics told me this, we did it) wondering cuz am not looking forward to pulling the engine out in a hour and if thats the case well guess ill get that third gear replacement on the way. Let me know

TNT · #8 (**permalink**) 03-04-2010, 06:54 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Drilling2643

Quote: Originally Posted by TNT

Quote: Originally Posted by JeffO

Thanks for the replies. I am not sure about the 10 hr inspection as I bought it used off a guy from ebay. I had only rode it for about 4 hours total. The clutch worked fine as far as I could tell. The engine seemed a little noisy to me but after reading online, thought it sounded normal for this type of motor. I asked the mechanic that was working on it if he had checked to see if recalls had been done and he hadn't even run the VIN to check yet. The first thing I was going to do when I got it back was check the clutch. Is it possible for part of the clutch to break and end up in system and still work? Will ask to take the shavings so I can examine them a bit more...

Typically a plate will break hit the basket rotating at such a high speed won't take much to break a chunk of aluminum off, but it will fail immediately no more clutch/ plate and if a small piece of aluminum basket is in the motor it won’t take long for steel gears to eat it up. Steel on the other hand can cause damage like bits of your squirter is lingering around AND it’s not good to run the quad with no oil being sent to the rod and piston it’s suicide….Happen to us ruined crank gears, costly! So I’d say ask the dealer what it is where it came from identify it as steel or aluminum, if he can’t post a pic out here we may be able to…..You know steel is magnetic, tranny gears like 3rd fail on some 08’s so you’d want to find out if it’s a chunk of gear is breaking loose. Since you rode 4 hrs sound like your ok, but it would be good to be safe unless you are good at and don’t mind tearing motors down. Actually there is a sump filter at the bottom of the case that collects a lot of new engine shaving’s, maybe it’s full passing to the filter. It’s a good idea if you’re a mechanic to get in there split the case clean it out after break in to prolong the life of the motor. I know the race team mechanics told me this, we did it.

Tnt- do you recommend that on my 08, havent even got 45min on the engine and then the snow hit and i been prepping it for season, by recommend i mean (It’s a good idea if you’re a mechanic to get in there split the case clean it out after break in to prolong the life of the motor. I know the race team mechanics told me this, we did it) wondering cuz am not looking forward to pulling the engine out in a hour and if thats the case well guess ill get that third gear replacement on the way. Let me know

Yeah if your going to do your 3rd gear anyway you will split the case and can clean the sump filter be a good idea but I would not go in there @ 45 mins just to clean it I'd wait to the 10-20 hr point. Dee @ Rage is who told me this and we were replacing crank gears from the oil squirter damage anyway.

JeffO · #9 (**permalink**) 03-04-2010, 07:56 PM

Just picked up the DS from the shop and have the piece of metal that was stuck to the drain plug. Will take pictures of it shortly and post. I am not sure what an oil squirter looks like but I could picture this as being one of those. BTW, how would one come loose and fly through the engine? And if it isn't where it should be, what will that do to the engine assuming all extra metal made it out with the oil change? One last question...how would I go about fixing it? This is all assuming that it was a squirter and not some other random breakage....

Thanks again
Jeff