Stock/OEM Wheel Interchangeability List

[08x]

I have been doing some research on different wheels for the DS 450. I have compiled the following list that I thought may prove useful to others, so I am sharing the information I have found. Although I have done my best to ensure that the following information is correct, that does not guarantee that there may not be errors, or mistakes. If you see anything that you believe is incorrect, or if you know of a model that you think should be added, please reply to this, or better yet, send me a PM and I will edit this post. I will do my best to keep this post updated.

This is a list of other manufacturer’s OEM wheels that will fit the Can Am DS 450. The majority of this information was taken from ITP Tires. Keep in mind that these are wheels with the same BOLT PATTERN, meaning they should fit on the DS 450’s studs. Your stock lug nuts MAY OR MAY NOT WORK, depending on your model of the DS and which manufacture’s wheels you are attempting to use. See additional information on this after the lists.

Stock Can Am DS 450 Wheel Size, Bolt Pattern:
2008-2011 DS 450 & 2008 DS 450 X:
Front Wheels--10x5, 4/144
Rear Wheels---9x9, 4/110

2009-2011 DS 450 Xmx:
Front Wheels--ITP 10x5 T-9 GP, 4/144
Rear Wheels---ITP 8x8 T-9 Trac-lock, 4/110

2009-2011 DS 450 Xxc:
Front Wheels--ITP 10x5 T-9 Trac-lock, 4/144
Rear Wheels---ITP 9x8 T-9 Trac-lock, 4/110

OEM wheels that will fit on the FRONT of the DS 450:
Artic Cat DVX 250------10x5 4/144
Artic Cat DVX 300------10x5 4/144
Artic Cat DVX 400------10x5 4/144
Can Am DS 450---------10x5 4/144
Honda TRX 250R--------10x5 4/144
Honda TRX 250X--------10x5 4/144 (Years 88, 90-92)
Honda TRX 250EX ------10x5 4/144
Honda TRX 300EX-------10x5 4/144
Honda TRX 400EX ------10x5 4/144
Honda TRX 450R--------10x5 4/144
Honda TRX 700XX ------10x5 4/144
Kawasaki KXF 400 ------10x5 4/144
Kawasaki KXF 450R-----10x5 4/144
Kawasaki KXF 700 ------10x5 4/144
Suzuki Z250------------10x5 4/144
Suzuki Z400------------10x5 4/144
Suzuki LTR 450---------10x5 4/144

OEM wheels that will fit on the REAR of the DS 450:
Artic Cat DVX 250------9x9 4/110
Artic Cat DVX 300------9x8 4/110
Artic Cat DVX 400------9x9 4/110
Can Am DS 450---------9x9 4/110
Honda TRX 250R--------9x9 4/110
Honda TRX 250X--------9x9 4/110
Honda TRX 250EX ------9x9 4/110
Honda TRX 300EX ------9x9 4/110
Honda TRX 400EX ------9x9 4/110
Honda TRX 450R--------9x9 4/110
Kawasaki KXF 400 ------9x9 4/110
Kawasaki KXF 450R-----9x9 4/110
KTM 450/525-----------9x8 4/110
Suzuki Z250------------9x9 4/110
Suzuki Z400------------9x9 4/110
Suzuki LTR 450---------8x8 4/110
Polaris Predator--------10x8 4/110 (Years 04-07)
Polaris Outlaw 450/525--9x9 4/110 (Straight Axle)
Polaris Outlaw 500/525--9x9 4/110 (IRS)

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OEM wheels that will NOT fit on the FRONT of the DS 450:
Can Am DS 650---------10x5 4/143 (Only 1 mm difference, may be a typo?)
Honda TRX 250X--------10x5 4/110 (Years 86-87)
KTM 450/525-----------10x5 4/156
Suzuki LT 250R---------10x5 4/166
Suzuki LT 500R---------10x5 4/166
Yamaha Warrior--------10x5 4/156
Yamaha Banshee-------10x5 4/156
Yamaha YFZ 450/R/X---10x5 4/156
Yamaha Raptor---------10x5 4/156
Polaris Predator---------10x5 4/156
Polaris Outlaw 450/525--10x5 4/156 (Straight Axle)
Polaris Outlaw 500/525--10x5 4/156 (IRS)

OEM wheels that will NOT fit on the REAR of the DS 450:
Can Am DS 650----------9x9 4/143
Honda TRX 700XX ------11x7 4/144
Kawasaki KXF 700 ------10x8 4/137
Suzuki LT 250R---------10x8 4/130 (Years 85-86)
Suzuki LT 250R---------10x8 5/130 (Years 87-92)
Suzuki LT 500R---------10x8 5/130
Yamaha Warrior----------9x9 4/115
Yamaha Banshee---------9x9 4/115 (Years 87-88, 91-06)
Yamaha Banshee--------10x8 4/156 (Years 89-90)
Yamaha YFZ 450/R/X-----9x9 4/115
Yamaha Raptor-----------9x9 4/115
Polaris Predator---------10x8 4/156 (Years 03)

Lug Nut Threads/Lug Nut Shape
The following update was published by ITP on 1-7-08 regarding the DS 450:

“Please note that Can-Am used a different thread pitch on their lug nuts and studs. All other
sport ATV’s on the market use a 10mm lug nut with a 1.25 tread pitch, but Can-Am used a
10mm lug nut with a 1.50 thread pitch. Also, the Can-Am stock lug nut is flat based – not
tapered.”

This was published in 2008, so it would apply to the two 2008 models; DS 450 and DS 450 X. Both the base and the X use the same lug nuts, which are flat, and have an M10x1.50 thread as mentioned above. The base model lug nuts have not changed from 2008 to 2011, and the DS 450 X was only made in 2008.

The Xmx and Xxc models introduced in 2009 do not have the flat style lug nuts, they have tapered lug nuts. BRP lists different part numbers for the lug nuts, which confirms this (see below). Also, in the description for the Xmx/Xxc lug nuts it lists M10x1.25, so BRP also changed the thread pitch to match the other manufacturers. BRP also lists different part numbers for the wheels studs, which confirms the thread change. So, if you have a DS 450/450 X and want to convert the studs from M10x1.50 to M10x1.25, you can order studs for a 2009-2011 Xmx or Xxc and install them. (I have done this conversion, and have included additional info at the end of this post).

BRP part numbers (2008-2011 DS 450 & 2008 DS 450 X):
Wheel Stud---250000138
Lug Nut------250100105
Flat Washer--250200080

BRP part numbers (2009-2011 DS 450 Xmx & DS 450 Xxc):
Wheel Stud---250300013
Lug Nut------250100100

From my research, the following models come with wheels that have a flat lug nut seating surface, requiring flat lug nuts (and possibly flat washers):
Can Am DS 450
Can Am DS 450 X
Kawasaski – I’m assuming both the KFX 400 and KFX 450R

The following models come with wheels that have a tapered lug nut seating surface, requiring tapered lug nuts:
Can Am DS 450 Xmx
Can Am DS 450 Xxc
Honda – I’m assuming all models
Suzuki – I’m assuming all models

I am not completely sure if the tapered lug nuts used by one manufacturer would be interchangeable with the tapered lug nuts used by another manufacturer. That is, I am unsure if different manufacturers have a different degree of taper on their lug nuts than others. However, I highly doubt this is true, and have never come across anything that would even suggest it might be true. You never see aftermarket wheels/lug nuts that are specific to say, Honda, and others that are specific to say, Suzuki. So I think it is safe to assume that all of the tapered lug nuts and wheels are interchangeable.

So, I do not see any reason why you could not take the OEM wheels from a Honda 450R, for example, and bolt them onto a DS 450 Xmx or Xxc, using the OEM Cam Am lug nuts. However, if you wanted to put Honda 450R wheels onto a DS 450 or 450 X, you would need to use tapered lug nuts, with a 1.50 thread pitch. Rocky Mountain has lug nuts like this available:

M10x1.50 Tapered Lug Nut


Or, you could change the studs on your DS 450 or 450 X to M10x1.25 as described above. Then you should be free to use tapered lug nuts from Honda, Can Am, etc. like the one shown below:

M10x1.25 Tapered Lug Nut - OEM Style


If you already have tapered lug nuts, but want to use wheels that require flat style lug nuts, such as the DS 450 X wheels, you would need to use lug nuts like the one shown below (assuming your studs are M10x1.25):

M10x1.25 Flat Base Lug Nut


Again, if you feel that any of this information is incorrect, please let me know. Also let me know of anything that you think should be added to this. Hopefully when people are searching for information, they will come across this thread and any questions will be answered without having to start additional threads.

Additional Information
As mentioned above, I have converted the studs on my DS 450 X to the much more common M10x1.25 pitch. To do this, you need to order 16 studs (part #250300013). Then you can use any tapered wheels, and any M10x1.25 tapered lug nuts. I chose to use the OEM style lug nuts from Rocky Mountain (shown above), which were only $0.99 each. There are different styles though, including chrome, and the DS 450 Xmx and Xxc lug nuts, which are black.



Once you have the new studs, you have to remove your hubs and press out the original studs. I recommend doing this properly and using a hydraulic press if you have access to one. If you don't, find a machine shop or fabrication shop that has one a pay a few dollars to have them do it. It will be worth it. I was a little surprised how tight the studs were in the hubs. If you don't have the proper tools, you will most certainly damage or destroy the aluminum hub. Don't even think about setting the hub on a block of wood and hitting the stud out with a hammer, because it's not going to happen.

Once the old studs are out, you can press the new ones in.



Then you will be all set. Now your Can Am will have studs that have the same pitch as all of the other makes.



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[bad moose]

Thank you!

We need to make this a sticky that no one will read to told to do so. LOL

[stb103]

Will a 4-1 offset or zero offset fit the front of a xmx.

[08x]

One thing I have not gotten into that much yet is the different offsets. I believe most OEMs have about the same offsets. I'm not sure about a 4-1 offset, but a zero offset should work fine. I think 3-2 is most common for the front (on OEMs anyway), so a zero offset would just push the center of the tire out a little further, resulting in a slightly wider stance.

[hcomras]

Quote: Originally Posted by stb103

Will a 4-1 offset or zero offset fit the front of a xmx.

yessir i believe 4-1 is actually stock

[stb103]

3-2 is stock. 4-1 and zero reduce width, which puts 4 inches facing in which some quads cant do because they rub. I have xmx arms, short arms, x shocks and xmx shocks. My goal is to keep the xmx arms, and xmx shocks for trails but want to narrow a bit. Then when its time to race tt I want to just switch shocks to lower, and switch rims to flat trqcks. So if I can swap my 3-2 with 4-1 Rims for trails that be great if they fit.

[08x]

I guess maybe I don't understand what you mean by zero offset. I took that to mean the same as it does with car and truck wheels (which maybe I shouldn't have done). That is why I said you would get a slightly wider stance compared to 3-2 (you would have 2.5 inches on the inside of the rim instead of 3) but maybe I am mixing different meanings for different applications. I follow everything you said about 4-1 rubbing and such, I'm just not sure what you mean by zero offset.

[stb103]

Zero offset is 5 inches surrounding hub and caliper and no lip facing out. Which narrows drasticly but won't fit most because of the deep inner rim, it will rub. I'm almost certain zeros won't fit looks tight. But a 4-1 should. Any one try 4-1 with 4 facing in to narrow on xmx yet?

[08x]

Quote: Originally Posted by stb103

Zero offset is 5 inches surrounding hub and caliper and no lip facing out. Which narrows drasticly but won't fit most because of the deep inner rim, it will rub. I'm almost certain zeros won't fit looks tight. But a 4-1 should. Any one try 4-1 with 4 facing in to narrow on xmx yet?

After I replied last time I wondered if that is what you meant, since 5-0 coincides with the rest of the atv wheel measurements (4-1, 3-2, 2-3..). I just had it in my head that zero offset meant the mounting surface was in the exact center of the rim, as it does with cars and trucks. That, and I have never, ever, heard of or saw atv wheels with zero offset (5-0). Can you tell me who makes any, or have any links or pics of them? I'm a little curious now..

I think that the term offset is a little miss-used here. Everybody uses it though, Understanding ATV Wheel Offset - ATV Technical Articles

Really, the atv numbers correspond to the backspacing of the wheel. So, a 4-1 wheel would have 4 inches of backspacing, and 3-2 would have 3 inches, etc. There is frontspacing as well, though I don't think that measurement is as commonly used as backspacing. A 4-1 wheel has 1 inch, and 3-2 has 2 inches, etc.

Anyway, I know that the Champion in a Box kits are available with 4-1 fronts and I think a good number of the MX racers on here have DWT wheels, so maybe someone can speak up if they are running 4-1s on XMX arms.

[stb103]

4-1 fits according to internet search.